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[personal profile] woodwardiocom
As my friends list trends very liberal, I thought I'd ask: What are the qualities you'd like to see (and are vaguely realistic to expect) in Republican candidates? E.g.,
  • End the Republican War On Women.
  • Equal rights for everyone, including gays.
  • Committment to separation of church and state.
  • Government out of the bedroom.
  • Repudiation of discredited "trickle-down" economics.
  • A committment to balancing the budget.
  • Honesty on all levels.
  • Support for the sciences.
(Because, hey, a bullet list might be easier for the GOP to understand than 48% of the vote.)

Date: 2012-11-09 02:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rednikki.livejournal.com
A path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants who have been here for years and work hard.

Date: 2012-11-09 03:08 pm (UTC)
mizarchivist: (Rosie)
From: [personal profile] mizarchivist
Oh, good one!

Date: 2012-11-09 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tamidon.livejournal.com
wasn't this a Republican idea to start with?

Date: 2012-11-09 05:57 pm (UTC)
mangosteen: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mangosteen
I thought the GOP idea (at least from Bush II) was to create a "guest worker" visa that had no path to citizenship, but would allow people to legally find employment. This is also known as a "permanent underclass", but that's a story for another day.

Date: 2012-11-10 03:59 am (UTC)
archangelbeth: Cartoon face, all white, with big "alien" eyes. (Elohite)
From: [personal profile] archangelbeth
It would at least avoid the aspect of "you can't go to the cops if I abuse you, because you're an illegal alien and they'll just deport you, and I'll find some other [racial insult] to rape and/or lock in a sweatshop."

Which might be something better.

Here's one for both sides of the aisle:

• Sometimes it's better to get something better to start with, and modify it, rather than voting it down because it's not 100% what you want. Also, holding your breath is damn childish.

Date: 2012-11-10 05:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rednikki.livejournal.com
There's been such a guest visa for quite some time; the issue is that it is not as widely available as it needs to be for the number of businesses that currently hire undocumented workers. But I would consider that a separate issue.

Date: 2012-11-09 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gosling.livejournal.com
This!

Especially a path for children, but really for everyone.

Date: 2012-11-09 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trowa-barton.livejournal.com
I try to keep an open-mind when it comes to candidates. The ability to work with both parties is definitely a plus. One gets tired of the "Us or Them" mentality when it comes to politics.
A balanced budget platform is also good, especially if tax and spending cuts are reasonable.

Date: 2012-11-09 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gosling.livejournal.com
Ability to work with both parties is huge.

Date: 2012-11-09 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lillibet.livejournal.com
Obama's fine for a moderate Republican.

Date: 2012-11-09 03:07 pm (UTC)
mizarchivist: (Avatar- You are such a fangrrl)
From: [personal profile] mizarchivist
That's been a common refrain by my SO all week.

Date: 2012-11-09 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gosling.livejournal.com
Yeah, I've been saying that for a long time too.

Date: 2012-11-09 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] woodwardiocom.livejournal.com
Yah, but I dream of a day when we'll have a presidential election with two candidates I could see voting for.

Date: 2012-11-09 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lillibet.livejournal.com
I could have gone for either Obama or a liberal, like Jill Stein.

Date: 2012-11-09 04:13 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-11-09 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whswhs.livejournal.com
We had one political candidate I could see voting for this time: Gary Johnson.

I was hoping, not to see Romney get in, but to see Obama thrown out; he's betrayed everything that got me to vote for him in 2008, by actions from embracing the individual mandate to keeping Guantanamo open, and he's added even worse things like claiming the right to have anyone killed, anywhere on earth, with no due process, by executive order—in fact, by secret executive order! (Can you say, "by my order and for the good of the state"?) Romney wavered from being no better than Obama to being very marginally better, and he was the least vile of the Republican contenders.

I would say "A plague on both their houses," but can you wish plague on a plague?

Date: 2012-11-09 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trowa-barton.livejournal.com
One of the greatest ironies is that Obama is more like Reagan than the Republicans these days.

Date: 2012-11-09 03:07 pm (UTC)
mizarchivist: (Vote)
From: [personal profile] mizarchivist
Um, "realistic"? Yours is a great list for any party. It would be great to actually have both sides of the aisle focus on policy not social police. Treat your populace like they're free-thinking adults and believe they can make their own decisions about who to marry (or not), and how to deal with their bodies. How about they deal with international relations, finding a way to have a balanced budget, and make sure our infrastructure doesn't come around our ears.
(hrmph)

Date: 2012-11-09 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] woodwardiocom.livejournal.com
"Realistic" in the sense that asking a Republican to support, e.g., socialized health care, is probably not realistic.

Date: 2012-11-09 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whswhs.livejournal.com
The main thing I like about the Republicans just now is their current opposition to our scheme of fascistic health care.

Date: 2012-11-09 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gosling.livejournal.com
It is a great list in general. Really there is a lot I want to see from elected officials of any party that I'm not seeing.

I would add:

One of my highest priorities is to actually *address* climate change (about which no one actually knows that much anyway really yet) and be proactive rather than reactive. Funding more actual science around this, which is really still in its infancy, feels pretty critical. (I'm not even talking about the anti-science crazies; neither party has been fabulous on this.) Yes, this falls under funding science, but it feels like a particularly urgent branch of science. We don't really have any clue about what is going on yet, but quite possibly it has the potential to seriously impact everyone for many, many generations. (ETA: Also, it is quite possible that there is still a lot we can do to improve the situation *now*, but that it will be much, much harder to fix things if we wait. This timing is why it feels so urgent to me we have a lot more resources devoted to this right now.)

Civil liberties! Obama has really rather failed here. He's done a lot I approve of him doing in other areas, but OMG does he need to improve on this.
Edited Date: 2012-11-09 03:26 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-11-09 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mzrowan.livejournal.com
Like [livejournal.com profile] rednikki, immigration reform. Also drug legalization! Basically, I would like Republicans more if they really *were* about small government.

Date: 2012-11-09 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lillibet.livejournal.com
And fiscally conservative. It's one of the great ironies of our political system that they're not.

Date: 2012-11-09 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fadethecat.livejournal.com
I'd be happy to see Republican candidates that are fiscally conservative--like, actually conservative with the budget, not "more money for bombs, less for hungry kids!" conservative--and who would just get the hell away from civil rights issues. They don't even have to support civil rights, if they can just stop actively opposing them. That's the kind of candidate I'd be pleased to have as opponents and reasonable alternatives to the, sigh, current Democratic party.

Date: 2012-11-09 04:10 pm (UTC)
drwex: (VNV)
From: [personal profile] drwex
Off the top of my head:

- Respect for individual privacy and rights (generally, keep government out of the bedroom)

- Establish limits on BOTH corporate and government power (e.g. stop public takings of lands for private use, a la Kelo but also impose restrictions on corporate spending for elections)

- Return to Reagan-era tax rates (amazing how many conservatives forget that Reagan RAISED taxes, esp on the rich) along with simplified deduction rules and a removal of massive subsidies for highly profitable industries (corn, oil, and pharma come immediately to mind).

- Stop using bilateral trade agreements to end-run policies, especially through secret negotiations (e.g. TPP, ACTA)

- Advocate fiscally responsible debt/deficit reduction plans that do not depend on trickle-down theories but not at the expense of national infrastructure maintenance and upgrades. (Sadly, a great deal of the misery in NY/NJ after Sandy is due to the massively outdated power grid equipment they're using. Areas with so-called 'smart grid' technology have been shown to recover up to 80% faster from major disasters. We have something like $50 billion in deferred highway and bridge maintenance right now, etc.)

- Bring defense expenditures and foreign troop commitments down in line with modern needs (no more allusions to WWI-era Navy sizes) while maintaining commitments to service personnel (salaries, housing, medical all need improvement, not to mention education and post-deployment care for active-duty people). Along with this, stop using the National Guard to hide inadequacies in the army, and stop putting war expenses into special resolutions that aren't counted in the regular budget process.

- End secret detentions, trials, domestic spying, and handing over people we don't like to foreign governments for torture (so end warrantless wiretapping and "rendition")

Date: 2012-11-09 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whswhs.livejournal.com
Honesty at all levels would be nice from both parties, and I'm not seeing it from either. After all, our current president got into office in 2008 after running against Clinton by opposing the individual mandate, and he had hardly moved into the Oval Office when he turned around and was pushing the individual mandate for all he was worth; that's what decided me never to vote for him again, because he would clearly say anything that would bring him political advantage, and not feel any sense that he was supposed to mean it.

As to the Republicans, what I'd like to see from them does include getting rid of their social conservative agenda, which is the biggest obstacle to most libertarians voting for them. But the other thing I'd really like is something that you don't even hint at: I'd like to see them become the Internet Party. For example:

* They could be the party that works to do away with draconian penalties for intellectual property violations (hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages for downloading a few songs? really?). They wouldn't lose any meaningful support by doing this; the big lobby for those penalties is the film, television, and music industries, which are massively in the Democratic camp (which means the Democrats will never lead any reform of intellectual property laws).
* At the same time, they could cut back the term of copyright to its historic norms, and oppose Disney's next effort to extend their control of The Mouse.
* They could actively oppose Internet censorship, both domestically and internationally.
* They could make the case against net neutrality, as an unnecessary and anticompetitive regulatory scheme.
* They could support the further development of online commerce in general.

The reduction in penalties for downloading, though, could be the real wedge issue for this, I think. And it's an opportunity that just cries out to be pursued. Glenn Reynolds ("Instapundit") has been saying the same thing for years.

Date: 2012-11-10 04:03 am (UTC)
archangelbeth: Bleach's Captain Byakuya, three-quarters view. Captioned: sigh (Sigh)
From: [personal profile] archangelbeth
I would, frankly, settle for the government writing a law that Disney owns Mickey Mouse for ever and ever until the heat death of the universe, fine, whatever, and leave the rest of the copyrights alone! O:p

Date: 2012-11-12 04:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whswhs.livejournal.com
What, like the British law regarding Peter Pan?

Date: 2012-11-12 04:55 am (UTC)
archangelbeth: Face with glasses and large red horns. Looking blah and-or grumpy. (DjinnBeth)
From: [personal profile] archangelbeth
If it leaves the rest of copyright alone, it'd be the lesser of many evils.

Date: 2012-11-12 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whswhs.livejournal.com
Customer: "Waiter! There's a fly in my soup!"
Waiter: "Not so loud, sir, please, or everybody will want one."

Date: 2012-11-13 01:09 am (UTC)
archangelbeth: A snake in profile, with its mouth open as if laughing. It has three eyes, a halo, and green wingfeathers showing. (Seraph Snicker)
From: [personal profile] archangelbeth
*snicker*

More seriously, I sometimes wonder about the feasibility of having something between copyright and trademark -- trademark characters, basically, extending indefinite (like trademark) protection to the things they appeared in -- and how to limit companies to a few iconic ones. E.g., Mickey Mouse, Spider Man, Superman, Batman, Bugs Bunny, etc. The trick would be avoiding proliferation of these trade-characters till they choked everything anyway.

Date: 2012-11-09 04:26 pm (UTC)
beowabbit: (Pol: chimp dressed as Napoleon)
From: [personal profile] beowabbit
I think if the Republican party is to survive, it has to lose its social conservatives (i.e., adopt most of those bullet points). I don’t think it’s going to do that, and I’m glad it’s not going to do that because keeping the anti-everyone-who’s-not-just-like-we-pretend-we-are baggage is going to drag down their economic agenda, which I *also* disagree with, but unless they expect to somehow prevent everybody who’s currently under 30 and everybody who’s not white from voting (some of them are making a stab at the second), there’s no way their social agenda is going to do anything but hurt them in any future Presidential election. (I specify Presidential because not as many people pay attention in off years, and it’ll be a while before the rabid minority can’t influence those.)

I wonder what the US party system is going to look like in 20 years.

Date: 2012-11-09 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] futurenurselady.livejournal.com
I would really love to see Republican candidates demonstrate that they could pass a high school biology course. The amount of false "scientific" statements made by several congressional Republican candidates is astounding in a very bad way.

This could also be accomplished by them admitting they are not knowledgeable about science, and that they will get their information from knowledgeable consultants with appropriate education.

These thoughts brought to you as a reaction to the various blatantly ignorant comments about rape and pregnancy made by several congressional Republican candidates and the Vice-Presidential candidate.

Date: 2012-11-09 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] houseboatonstyx.livejournal.com
This far Left Jill Stein voter (yay for safe states!) would like to encourage those Republican candidates (are there any above state level?) who

Act against crony capitalism
Choose projects that both sides can agree on
Avoid causes that would offend liberals
Promote contraception and sex education
Want to help unwed mothers in positive ways
Want the police to stop wasting their time with marijuana users
Tax the oil companies
And send every citizen a check for what the oil company tax brings in

This describes Sarah Palin as Governor of Alaska.

Date: 2012-11-09 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wombattery.livejournal.com
Though "honesty on all levels" sounds good, I'm not sure it actually works in a candidate's favor. I do not doubt that the honorable wingnut from Missouri was being entirely honest about his position when he produced the gaffe which lost him the election. Yes, he was being honest, but he was being honest about believing something horrible and wrong. If they're being honest about holding horrible beliefs, that's good for us (so we can ID them and vote accordingly), but not so much for them. Were I advising them a course of action, I'd suggest either not believing in horrible things or believing in them but hiding that belief so deeply that they neither introduce nor vote for legislation based on horrible things.

Now, transparency on all levels might be closer to the mark. Sunshine laws in my state have rather complicated efforts of local politicians to have cozy little self-serving cabals.

Date: 2012-11-10 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unquietsoul5.livejournal.com
Add in:

Understand Math and Statistics.Really.

Not Swear oaths to Grover Norquist about ANYTHING.

Read and Understand History

Cease Conspiring With Foreign Governments (like Romney evidently was with Russia)

Truth is we won't get a Republican paty or Republican candidates that begin to reach what I would consider reasonable. Theres a reason why Teddy Roosevelt turned on the party.

Date: 2012-11-13 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whswhs.livejournal.com
That seems like kind of an ahistorical generalization. The Republican Party back then was a very different organization, with very different supporters. It was taken for granted in TR's time that black people would all vote Republican (that changed in 1932 after Hoover weaselled out of promises to black leaders in 1928), and that the southern states would all go Democratic (that changed in 1972 with Nixon's Southern strategy, which was inspired by Goldwater's taking four deep south states in 1964). On one of the big issues in recent elections, in other words, it would be plausible to regard TR's Republicans as ancestral to today's Democrats and the Democrats who opposed him as ancestral to today's Republicans.

It was, for example, a staunch progressive Democrat, Woodrow Wilson, who segregated the previously racially integrated federal civil service. And that era's progressives bought heavily into the theories about inferior racial stock that inspired immigration quotas and forced sterilization. On both issues, of course, today's progressives are solidly on the other side.
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